Von: LSJ <vtesrep@white-wolf.com>
An: VTES Rules <vtes-rules@yahoogroups.com>
Betreff: [vtes-rules] Re: Gehenna Rules Questions for LSJ!
Datum: Tue, 18 May 2004 06:26:09 -0400
Halcyan 2 wrote:
> #1. On the White Wolf forum, it was stated that for Alastor, "If this
> referendum is successful, search your library for an equipment card and place
> this card and
> the equipment on the chosen vampire. Pay half the cost (round down)
> of the equipment."
>
> A. Since you are placing the equipment (and not equipping), does this mean that
> you do not have to meet the appropriate requirements?
Yes.
> B. Thus Igo can get the Femur of Toomler, Smudge can get the Ankara Citadel,
> Sandra can get the Chalice of Kinship, and Antoinette can get an Inscription
> (if so, what level is it)?
Igo, the Alastor? Yeah.
What Level? C'mon, you know the answer to that: when a card enters play
without a specified level, it is normal (non-superior).
> C. Also, if the cost is a blood cost, does the Alastor or the vampire who
> called the Alastor pay for it?
The target Alastor pays.
> D. If the Alastor is Black Cat, does her special further help reduce the cost?
Yes.
> #2. Does Centralized Background Check increase the cost of pool that needs to
> be paid for Peace Treaty? Based on the previous ruling for Black Cat and Peace
> Treaty, I'd say that it would. Thus if Hugo had a .44 Magnum, you would need to
> pay 3 pool, if Black Cat had a Deer Rifle you'd have to pay 2 pool, and if Koko
> had a Zip Gun or Weighted Walking Stick, you'd have to pay 1 pool. Correct?
Yes.
> #3. Descent into Darkness says "Turn the acting vampire and any cards on him or
> her face down, out of play (breaking any temporary control effects)." So just
> to make sure, if I Tempted my prey's Guido and have him Descent into Darkness,
> my prey gains control of Guido (and hence the Descent), correct?
Yes.
> #4. A. The Order of St. Blaise refers to adding counters to a location you
> control. Are counters synonymous with blood/pool? For example, Powerbase:
> Madrid explicitly uses the term counters, Tomb uses the term blood counters,
> but Alamut, Powerbase: Chicago, and Pere Lachaise all use the term blood.
Yes.
> B. Assuming the above is true, can you use the Order on Inveraray, Scotland if
> it already has 3 blood? I'd say no, since it states "no more than 3 blood may
> be put on this card."
No (correct).
> C. Since Powerbase: Madrid has no specific limitation, are you able to use the
> Order to make it so that PB: Madrid has 66 counters? (And thus can grant 66
> additional votes).
Yes.
> #5. A. To make sure, Leadership Vacuum counts the total number of votes the
> vampire has, not just the number of votes the title grants, right? So for
> Jaroslav with a Legendary Vampire, X = 5. For Angelica who got 20 additional
> votes via Political Struggles, X = 23. For Genevieve, X = 1. For a Baron with a
> Firebrand, X = 3. For Carna, X = 0 when a Beyond Approach is in play? Correct?
Yes.
> B. And on the flipside, conditional votes don't count? So Sundown, the extra
> vote from the right clan for a Barony, Paragon, and Aura of Invincibility don't
> count?
Correct.
> #6. A few specific questions on how Poison Pill interacts with other cards.
>
> A. How about Poison Pill + Ancient Influence? My predator calls Ancient
> Influence, he chooses Arika, I choose Sutekh. Even though I have a net gain,
> I'm still "losing pool." Thus the net effect would be that I gain 6 (11 - 5)
> and he gains 1 (11 - 5 - 5), correct?
Yes.
> B. How about indirect means of pool loss? Say, Sabbat Threat for example.
No.
> C. Just to make sure, there is no such thing as negative pool loss, right? So
> giving pool is not the same as negative pool loss, and thus Poison Pill we
> never give players pool, right? (This might be significant since other
> languages have different conventions, and even not all English speakers are
> that proficient in English!).
Right.
> #7. Questions regarding The Diamond Thunderbolt. Newsgroup spoiler card text
> is:
>
> The diamond Thunderbolt.
> Master.
> 0 cost.
> Master: out-of-turn.
> Only usable when control of a vampire you control is about to
> change or a vampire you control is about to enter combat.
> Control of that vampire does not change, and that vampire gains
> 1 blood.
>
> A. How does this interact with Hostile Takeover and Temptation of Greater
> Power? Is there no opportunity to play Diamond Thunderbolt? Is the control
There is opportunity, provided it is not your turn (which seems likely.
> change cancelled and the bid not paid? Or is the control change cancelled, but
> the bid is still paid (and thus that player gains pool but doesn't lose a
> minion). The last scenario would pretty much wallpaper HT and ToGP methinks.
The bid is still paid.
> B. How does this work with temporary control effects? Is losing control of a
> minion (because a temporary control effect has ended) considered "control is
> about to
> change"?
Yes, but it wouldn't maintain the currently-ending temporary control
effect. So the loss of control would still occur (again, after DT was
resolved for the initial loss).
> a. For example, it's my predator's turn. After he's done with his actions, I
> take control of my prey's minion with Spirit Marionette. I then take another
> action (either bleed if that critter is a Malkavian or do something else with
> my other Malkavians). I then lose control of that minion and control changes.
> What happens if I play Diamond Thunderbolt? Do I keep the minion forever? Or
> until the *next* action?
You play DT. Control doesn't change. Then you note that SM's control effect
hasp expired (still) and give the minion back.
> b. Previously you [LSJ] had ruled that for Parmendies, "He comes back at the
> point your untap phase begins (just as you're about to untap all your cards)."
> Since the loss of control isn't during the predator's turn, what happens if the
> predator plays Diamond Thunderbolt so he doesn't have to return Parmenides?
The same as above - the temporary control effect has expired.
> c. Ridiculous scenario but, during some other player's turn, you have a
> Malkavian using the Madness Network to play Chain of Command to bring out
> Parmenides. Can you use Diamond Thunderbolt to counter his drawback and keep
> him?
Sure.
> C. If control is changed via the burning of counters and Diamond Thunderbolt is
> played, the counters remain burnt, right? So if someone burns 3 counters off of
> Temptation to steal Milo and Diamond is played, the counters are gone. Or if
> there are 10 corruption counters on Arika and Lalitha plays one final
> Corruption and Diamond is played, all the corruption counters are gone?
They are still burnt, yes.
> #8. A. If Chain of Command is played to bring out a single vampire (with 1
> blood) and you then Heidelburg the blood off, the Chained vampire is stuck,
> right? (must hunt and must bleed so can't do anything). Assuming that he
> remains in this state, does he stay in play indefinitely then?
No. Chain of Command's card text handles this: "when all that can bleed
have".
> B. Similarly, if you Chain of Command 4 Aabt Kindred's into play and you never
> bring out Nefertiti, these little critters stay around, correct? (Though they
> can't take any actions, even undirected, now).
No, as above.
> C. What happens if permanent control of a Chained vampire changes before the
> Chain effect happens? Does he still go to the bottom of the crypt? Does he go
> to the original player's or the current controller's crypt?
He goes to the crypt. All vampires that go to crypt go to their owners'
crypts.
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