Rescue action on Moncada (Lasombra cardinal)

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Rescue action on Moncada (Lasombra cardinal)

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Ambrosio Luis Monçada, Plenipotentiary [SW]
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Lasombra
Group: 2
Capacity: 10
Discipline: aus for DOM OBT POT PRE
Sabbat Cardinal: Monçada cannot block. Actions directed at Monçada cost an additional pool.... (snip nonrelevant rest)

Ich war der Meinung, dass jede rescue action auf Moncada, egal ob von eigenen Vampiren oder fremden eine action ist, die "directed at Moncada" sei und somit einen Pool kosten würde. LSJ uns seine Lakaien sehen das anders und sprechen von "actions targeting Moncada", wenn man seine eigenen Minions ran lässt.

Also: Wenn deine eigenen Minions deinen eigenen Moncada retten wollen kostet es keinen Pool!

Hier das Zitat (immerhin dachte Matt wie ich :wink: ):

Matthew T. Morgan wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, R. David Zopf wrote:
>>"Matthew T. Morgan" <farq...@io.com> wrote in message
>>>If I have Monçada in my torpor region and Aaron Duggan in my ready region,
>>>does it cost me a pool to have Aaron rescue Monçada from torpor?

>>>Relevant card text:
>>>Ambrosio Luis Monçada, Plenipotentiary [SW]
>>>Sabbat Cardinal: Monçada cannot block. Actions directed at Monçada cost an
>>>additional pool. If Monçada is ready during your discard phase, he can
>>>untap another ready Lasombra.


>>>This question came up in the jol tournament. A google search didn't turn
>>>up anything. My suspicion is that Monçada's card text doesn't actually
>>>care about (D) actions. Aaron is still targetting Monçada, even though
>>>the action is undirected.


>>You've answered your own question. The action (rescue) is Undirected. This
>>is all that Moncada's text cares about.


> Maybe. My argument is that Monçada's text isn't referring to directed (D)
> actions but actually means actions that target him. Perhaps I'm wrong
> about that, though.



Zopf's correct. Card text is referring to directed actions. Undirected actions
are not directed. For it to work the other way, it would've had to read
"Actions targeting Monçada cast an additional pool."

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Re: Rescue action on Moncada (Lasombra cardinal)

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Männele wrote:Sabbat Cardinal: Monçada cannot block. Actions directed at Monçada cost an additional pool.... (snip nonrelevant rest)


Also: Wenn deine eigenen Minions deinen eigenen Moncada retten wollen kostet es keinen Pool!
nicht wirklich überraschend, da ja d-actions gegen eigene targets immer zu undirected actions werden-> action is not directed at mocada. sonst bräuchte man ein eagle sight oder falcons eye um den rescue von mocada zu blocken


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der alte mehlkopf, wer will den schon retten 8)
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Thea Bell aka Johannes wrote:der alte mehlkopf, wer will den schon retten 8)
die selben die ihn auch spielen wollen. (verstehen kannn ichs ja nicht, bei der artwork)

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