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hello...
I didn't understand well german (In fact, i didn't understand it at all... ).
So, my opinion.
Stéphane have 0 points before the last round. I have a GW + 4 points.
Due to the Ferenci-campaign-against-french-players, any helpfull acts between stephane or me would be "collusion".
In that game, I have never bleed shane, and he have never rush me. (we were predator-prey...).

In the end, I have changed seating to oust myself just after and give my point to Shane.
Imagine what would have been said, if it wasn't Shane but Stéphane ?
For me, the problem is not Johannes decision, but the insults constantly said, even on a humoristical mode, on french players.
The thing I will remember for that EC is the organisation, just close to perfection. If 2 people are unhappy for a little thing, and more that 150 happy for everything else... well, too bad for the two dudes...

Hey, it was Kamel from Paris (you know, the deal breaker, liar, bad player, and cheater from that country, that I have heard a lot on that EC. And don't discuss with him, if he have a succubus club ).

TheDealbreaker(TM) wrote:The thing I will remember for that EC is the organisation, just close to perfection. If 2 people are unhappy for a little thing, and more that 150 happy for everything else... well, too bad for the two dudes...

Exactly.

And please, do not count me amongst those two unhappy people, Kamel, in case you referred to me - from my point of view, this is the theoretical discussion after the event, hopefully leading to even better events in the future.
We even got the VEKN tournament rules changed as a result of the EC - wow!

Anonymous wrote:Hey, it was Kamel from Paris (you know, the deal breaker, liar, bad player, and cheater from that country, that I have heard a lot on that EC. And don't discuss with him, if he have a succubus club ).

Come to think of it, you, Kamel, should get a separate appendix all for yourself in said tournament rules...

Anonymous wrote:hello...


Due to the Ferenci-campaign-against-french-players, aor me, the problem is not Johannes decision, but the insults constantly said, even on a humoristical mode, on french players.
The thing I will remember for that EC is the organisation, just close to perfection. If 2 people are unhappy for a little thing, and more that 150 happy for everything else... well, too bad for the two dudes...

there is no ferenci campain against french players (au contraire i was ousted cross table by parisians it was more a paris against stefan campaign )
i truly believe that stephane would not have colluded with you at all, thats a reason why i do not understand johannes decision or stephanes request.
do you mean i constantly insult french players? if so i want to correct you on that. i had a few fun games with french players this weekend, but sadly had problems with a few others (antoine basically). i still hold your play in the finals in high regard (you could have screwed me but you did not.) and would not have thought that you and stephane would have cheated in any way. i threw insults at antoine and pierre but giving the circumstances i think they were understandable (though not acceptable).

i still think johannes decision was a) against vekn rules b)bad and c) not necessary (i do not consider you or stephane so honorless to collude in such a game) d) left a dubious impression

greetings stefan

No way for me to count you as an unhappy dude, Hardy.
the last news from succubus club : a snipe hunt is into play. Give it at your untap with the succubus. and so on.
No vamps under 4 cap will never untap as normal...
Tell me why SC didn't have been banned before
PS : hey, I have to explain it to you : a "break" is a sort of car in french. So a break dealer is a seller of car...A very bad joke, french humour and so on

Hi Kamel, nice to hear from you that soon.

I tried to make my POV clear right after the game. Maybe I can do it once again in a few words.

I felt very honoured to play with two of the best players of the world at my table (I mean that). Really, I was very excited how especially Stephane would play his Gundeck, a deck I'm still experimenting on. I never played with Stephane at a table before. You I'm meeting every tournament (what is that with us two ?). So you can imaging my disappointment when Stephane requested a seat-change.
And I still don't understand this move.
I'd never think of him as a cheater. He plays that good, he doesn't need to make a collusion or sth. I can understand though that it is very tough to rip off a chance to get into the finals of EC from a friend. But that's life, you know. It's bad luck to get seated like that. But you have to take it and play. Stephane's deck would have destroyed us both, you and me. I think, Stephane would have made the GW, maybe struggling against Thomas. We all would have had a good fight. If somebody meant to see collusial moves he would have be free to call the judge. LSJ or somebody could watch for some turns and nobody could blame anyone after the game. That is the way it should have went. (I'm sure that my english grammar is bullshit in this paragraph, f*** if-sentences).

I still don't understand your decision to oust yourself to give your prey (Shane) a VP. You could live another turn with your five pool, trying to oust me (I'm not sure, but I think I had around five or six pool that moment and just one open minion). Shane just had two active minions (plus one deprivated). I admit, that I would have thought "he does that because it's Stephane" if it had been Stephane. But you know, it is perfectly legal in the rules to die as you wish (what is a shame). So again maybe we had bothered LSJ to watch and confirm your decision and all would have felt well, at least I can say that for me and Thomas.

For me Stephane's request and Johannes decision are not that crucial. I had fun with you at my table, there will be a time where I will have fun with Stephane too . But then again there will now be players who think of Stephane that he would not be able to play hard and without prejudice vs. a friend. And that is bad and I'm sure untrue.

Männele wrote: there will be a time where I will have fun with Stephane too

jedem das seine

stefan

ProcF wrote:i still think johannes decision was a) against vekn rules b)bad and c) not necessary (i do not consider you or stephane so honorless to collude in such a game) d) left a dubious impression

puh. also nochmal. mal von allen persöhnlichen und profisionellen beweggründen abgesehen hat jeder, aber auch wirklich jeder, die situation nun einigermassen überblickt (das umsetzten von staphane). ich denke jeder sollte nun in der lage sein sich selber ein eigenes bild zu machen. sprich könnten wir dieses thema (und das ganze persöhnliche sachen an den kopf werfen) nun endlich vom tisch räumen??


bitte. mit einem dicken sahnehäubchen oben drauf...