07.09.2024: Deutsche Meisterschaft 2024, Darmstadt

[Männele]

Hier ist der Archon, der auch bereits approved ist:

1 Alexander Tüschen 3 9 2 180 !Salubri Wall

2 Joscha Düll 2 7 2 162 new Malk vote
2 Michael Köper 2 6 1 144 Lasombra vote with pre
2 Jan Etzel 2 10 0 174 Malk s&b
2 Hector Javier Ordonez 2 8 0 144 new Gangrel Anarch vote toolbox

6 Michael Halten 1 6 156 Giotto Kaymakli
7 Sven Helmer 1 5 106 Nergal merged
8 Thomas Stellmach 1 4,5 144 Nana+Guillaume Giovanni location madness
9 Rodinei Teixeira de Camargo 1 4 96 new Gangrel wall
10 Kristijan Kauzlaric 1 3,5 118 ?
11 Kevin Heise 1 3 114 ?
12 Steffen Waschul 1 3 102 Kiasid S&B
13 Gerhard Range 0 3 132 Jacob Fermor Werwolves
14 Roy Opitz 0 3 120 Ministry s&b
15 Erica Ferreira de Souza 0 3 114 !Nossi ft. Cailean
15 Michael Jacoby-Bicanic 0 3 114 ?
17 Jennifer Fuß 0 2,5 102 new Ravnos s&b
18 Julien Schirrow 0 2 100 ?
19 Jan Sonnenberg 0 1,5 100 ?
20 Fabian Bihn 0 1 102 !Tori Palla Grande swarm bleed
21 Milan Matthes 0 1 96 ?
22 Rudolf Scholz 0 1 90 Ministry Chameleon
23 Robert Fängler 0 1 84 !Nossi ft Cailean rush and deflect
24 Johannes Heim 0 0,5 96 ?
25 Miriam Seebach 0 0,5 84 !Ventrue attrition
26 Lars Schlierkamp 0 0 82 Lasombra Nocturn and Obtenebration tricks
27 Kevin Mullen 0 0 72 ?
28 Benjamin Quickert 0 0 70 ?
29 Kristian Willenbacher 0 0 66 !Malk Kindred Spirits bleed
29 Raul Ordonez Garcia 0 0 66 Harbingers toolbox
29 Kai Kimmerle 0 0 66 Dark Ventrue ft. Arika
32 Stefan Neuner 0 0 60 Malk s&b

Oder Stefan Neuner Tzimisce und Benjamin Malk? Ich bin unsicher. Eigentlich müsste Jan hier helfen können mit den Decklists.

[Rudolf]

Ach, Joscha, wenn du meine Infos mit verwertet hättest, wäre es fast vollständig gewesen ...

[Oracle.kid]

Hier ist der Archon, der auch bereits approved ist:

1 Alexander Tüschen 3 9 2 180 !Salubri Wall

2 Joscha Düll 2 7 2 162 new Malk vote
2 Michael Köper 2 6 1 144 Lasombra vote with pre
2 Jan Etzel 2 10 0 174 Malk s&b
2 Hector Javier Ordonez 2 8 0 144 new Gangrel Anarch vote

6 Michael Halten 1 6 156 Giotto Kaymakli
7 Sven Helmer 1 5 106 Nergal merged
8 Thomas Stellmach 1 4,5 144 Shalmat
9 Rodinei Teixeira de Camargo 1 4 96 new Gangrel wall
10 Kristijan Kauzlaric 1 3,5 118 Diana Toreador Vote & Bleed
11 Kevin Heise 1 3 114 Tremere Toolbox
12 Steffen Waschul 1 3 102 Kiasid S&B
13 Gerhard Range 0 3 132 Jacob Fermor Werwolves
14 Roy Opitz 0 3 120 Ministry s&b
15 Erica Ferreira de Souza 0 3 114 !Nossi ft. Cailean
15 Michael Jacoby-Bicanic 0 3 114 Serpentis Bleed
17 Jennifer Fuß 0 2,5 102 new Ravnos s&b
18 Julien Schirrow 0 2 100 G6 Salubri Bleed
19 Jan Sonnenberg 0 1,5 100 Tzi Wall
20 Fabian Bihn 0 1 102 !Tori Palla Grande swarm bleed
21 Milan Matthes 0 1 96 Ventrue Vote & Bleed
22 Rudolf Scholz 0 1 90 Ministry Chameleon
23 Robert Fängler 0 1 84 !Nossi ft Cailean rush and deflect
24 Johannes Heim 0 0,5 96 True Brujah
25 Miriam Seebach 0 0,5 84 !Ventrue attrition
26 Lars Schlierkamp 0 0 82 Lasombra Nocturn and Obtenebration tricks
27 Kevin Mullen 0 0 72 ? -- leider keine Infos
28 Benjamin Quickert 0 0 70 Malk S&B
29 Kristian Willenbacher 0 0 66 !Malk Kindred Spirits bleed
29 Raul Ordonez Garcia 0 0 66 Harbingers toolbox
29 Kai Kimmerle 0 0 66 Dark Ventrue ft. Arika
32 Stefan Neuner 0 0 60 Banu Haqim Retribution

Oder Stefan Neuner Tzimisce und Benjamin Malk? Ich bin unsicher. Eigentlich müsste Jan hier helfen können mit den Decklists.

Ich hab mal das Fehlende ergänzt / korrigiert

[Männele]

Ach, Joscha, wenn du meine Infos mit verwertet hättest, wäre es fast vollständig gewesen ...

Habe ich doch, vllt. habe ich noch jemanden vergessen. Aber voll nett, dass ich das gemacht habe, danke.

[alf]

Kevin Mullen: Toreador V5 - AFAIK

[Vrumfondel]

Hier noch mein Finalbericht. Ich glaube ich hatte noch nie ein so gutes Comeback gehabt wie in dem Spiel.

!Salubri -> Joscha with Malk Vote -> Jan with Malk Bleed -> Michael with Lasombra Vote -> Hector with Gangrel Vote

I entered the finals with 3 GW and was the last to choose the seating. I did not want to sit in front of a Malkavian and there was some hope, that there will be some contest (wasn’t any). So, I decided to be the prey of Hector. Some players underestimated my Deck at the first three rounds, but there will be no advantage like this at the final.
I had 2x Nuriel and 2x Anarch Convert at my crypt so no side vampire, even after the first Anarch Convert I only drew another Anarch Convert. Beside this the start was not good but OK, my Smiling was Suddend by Jan (cross-table) but I found an early concealed + Weapon for Nuriel. With this weapon I blocked a Gangrel, cancelled his Form of Mist and went to torpor due to Claws of the dead (the only one in his deck). Big mistake! I tried to get out of torpor at my turn but Joscha blocked and diablerized Nuriel with the support of Michael. OK they did not like my deck.
I was very sure, that I did not have any chance and was not so attentive afterwards. Joscha and Michael made a deal to split the table (oust Jan and Hector) and I did not care about the exact conditions. Even after our head judge asked if everyone understood the deal, I just answered something like: Yes, whatever.
So, Jan was ousted by Joscha and a Reins of Power from Michael ousted Hector. Hector was so kind not to choose any vampire so I got 6 Pool more. At this moment I had a new Nuriel (with weapon) and a bowl. We (Hector and me) were very sure, that Joscha made a mistake with his deal and that Michael would win this table. But the Lasombra player put Angelica into play and had only some pool left. Joscha took this opportunity and ousted him with a vote and an Elder Impersonation to prevent the block from Angelica. At this moment I had Nuriel with low blood, Smiling Jack, 3 Pool on Michaela (not in play) and 8 Pool and a Villein at the hand. Joscha had several vampires and a lot of pool (>20). So, I decided to take the risk to play a Code of Samiel and brought Micheala into play, going down to 2 pool and I had to pay 1 pool to the Smiling Jack at my next untap phase. Joscha tried to do something but I was able to block his action (and torporized his minion). In my phase the Villein was not suddend/washed, so I was back at 6 Pool (yeah!). Also Mr. Winthrop joined Michaela.
Joschas Votes or the removal of the Smiling Jack were all blocked (one with 3 Stealth and an Elder Impersonation) and his minions went into torpor one after another. Also, the edge payed for the Smiling Jack after some time. The constant pool loss from this card was too much for Joscha who was ousted eventually.

I would be happy, if someone also tries the !Salubri and shares his (oder hers) experience.

[DocSeven]

Kevin Mullen: Toreador V5 - AFAIK

Kann ich bestaetigen, ich sass mit ihm in der zweiten Runde am Tisch.

[Männele]

Congratulations to Alex once more who played an impressive prelim with 3 Game Wins, wow. In round 2 I lost to his deck already so I knew what he was playing and that my deck will have difficulties with the !Salubri.

In the finals my prey Jan (Malk S/B) and I (Malk vote) had to find a way to not contest any new Malks. So we negotiated that he can bring out Abraham Mellon (which I don't play) and Jason "Son" Newberry (which I had in my uncontrolled region). I went with Juliet Parr (Justicar) and Alexander Silverson (Prince).
My Grandprey Michael got out Moncada (Cardinal) and a Francisco (Archbishop), very fast with the help of Tombs of Rameses, long time no see. Hector got a little Gangrel and then Andre, the Cardmanipulator and Alex Nuriel, my bane from the second round.
I threw away my Combat Ends, as I knew, they would get canceled from Alex with Death Seekers. Shortly after Nuriel entered torpor and Michael gave a hint, that he would be glad, if he gets eaten. As Alex didn't had another ready minion to block a diablerie from my side, he tried to leave torpor. After a quick negotiation with Michael, Juliet blocked that with a Second Trad and diablerized Nuriel (and forgot to take his Sword).
I read the table like this: I needed the Lasombras voting help to achieve anything. I couldn't bleed, as my prey would happily bounce my bleeds to Michael and he most probably to Hector. That would lead to nothing. I had my hand full of hillariously strong political actions (2 CIFs, one Banishment and a KRC), so I listened interested to Michaels request for help for his Banishment of Andre (meanwhile Anarch and Baron of wherever), who was on two blood if I remember correctly. He promised to allow me a CIF on Jan, gaining the pool. So to Hectors dismay we worked together. So Hector lost four pool for reinfluencing Andre. And Jan in my turn lost four pool to the Iron Fist (and Alex 1).
Shortly after this Michael again wanted my help. He wanted to call Reigns of Power to damage his prey for four. Hector was on 6 pool (I really dont remember, why he was so low so fast). My prey was only on 10 IIRC, because he hadn't played any Villein and he would lose 3 for that action. I was unsure, if I should give Michael his VP, but after some negotiation we agreed, that we would take out our preys more or less simultaneously with the help of each other. So Michael played a Anarchist Uprising and after that the Reigns. WRONG ORDER, as it turned out, because Hector just chose no vampire for the Reigns and Alex sacked full six pool, evening out the loss of Nuriel before (more or less). That was a game deciding mistake, Michael and I did not think of that, even though I encountered that move multiple times.
Hector and Alex meant, that I took the wrong choice in allying with the Lasombra, as he would be too strong and have me for dinner. But I thought, I want my VP and after all Michale was fifth seed and I am fourth, so the right player was boosted.
Michael stood to the deal and Jan fell the next turn or the turn after.
I got out Andi Liu, another prince. Michael got out Angelica, a Cardinal. He played a Fear of Mekhet on my Justicar with one blood left and she burned (with me having a Giant's Blood in hand, sigh). So it really looked bad. I got out Jason Newburry and made him Legendary Vampire, so I was back on seven votes against the Lasombra's eight.
Michael couldn't do much against Alex, he removed an Anarch Revolt but couldn't get rid of Alex' Smiling Jack. Michael ended his turn with 4 pool. His vote lock and Angelica's intercept special seemed to be enough to be safe. Alex did not do anything, as he was low on pool and had Jack out.
My hand showed stealth, an Iron Fist and a Telepathic Vote Counting. So I took the chance and called the vote, could outstealth Angelica with three Mastercard-intercept and managed to oust Michael and his Lasombra, canceling Moncada's votes in the polling step, for my second VP.
Now all I had to do was sitting there and outlast the !Salubri, who were on 2 pool after the CIF. We had a very fast game and it was more than an hour to go. You cannot outlast a Smiling Jack-Deck, but I had not enough stealth to go for the bleed or to make another vote, as Nuriel had found a Bowl of Convergence. Still I was optimistic, as Alex had to pay for Jack and should get ousted that way.
So I ended my turn and Alex played Villein for five, game over.
With no actions I could do I couldn't cycle my hand to find more stealth cards. I tried desperatly, could find an Into thin Air with an Elder Impersonation, but it was in vain. Alex had too many Intercept in his hand (Guardian Vigil and Enhanced Senses with both of his vamps equipped with Interceptcards).
So Alex ousted me with his Smiling Jack, got two VPs and won the tournament because of his better seeding.
Well done, mate!

[Oracle.kid]

@vrumfondel: Congrats from me again as well And again sorry for the cross-table sudden...

Since already much was said, I just wanted to add some of the struggle I had - playing Malk S&B. My first challenge was to choose proper seating, going in as second seed. Since I didn't want to run into Gangrel wall right away and feared the !Salubri's combat, I chose to sit between Malk vote and Lasombra. Not a very convenient place, but it seemed the least problematic.

In my opening hand, I had a lot of master cards and stealth. In an attempt to get rid of some green cards and fear of too much early pressure, I suddened the first turn Smiling Jack of my grand-pred - a mistake, as it turned out soon enough. As my prey didn't block any actions, my hand remained clogged. At the same time, my pred didn't get any pressure and went (understandably) full force after me, ousting me after ~ 30min.

Regarding my assesment of the finals:

Aside from my unneccessary Sudden on Smiling Jack, I think the early diablerie had a game-deciding impact on the table. Iirc Hector, Michael and Joscha all voted against a Blood Hunt. It might have been more favorable to either Michael and / or Hector to either advise against or vote in favor of a burn.
Also, I think my early oust wasn't really in the interest of my pred Joscha - even though Lasombra didn't take the table, it seemed like Joscha struggled to take my prey Michael out, and ran ultimately out of steam against the !Salubri.

And what did I learn from it?

For one don't sudden a card which you can potentially remove by a D-action (and cycle some stealth cards) and don't be afraid of too early pressure from your grand-pred. Also, I did not talk enough: An avoidable mistake I made was not asking Hector if I could burn any locations, redrawing Conceal and maybe one or two stealth cards - which could've helped to draw into Govern / bleed cards.

Secondly, a platitude proves itself right again: Not every game can go well and I ended up at a table unfortunate for me. I did expect a game where I'd get ousted early at some point. Unlucky it happened in the finals, though

[Männele]

Zum Smiling Jack: Das sehe ich anders. Die Dreckskarte muss immer weg, egal wo sie liegt, wenn nicht bei dir selbst. Deshalb war das genau richtig, v.a. wenn du cyclen musst.

Übrigens musste ich dich auch so schnell ousten, damit die Society of Leopold nicht nochmal auf Juliet Parr geraten konnte, die mit einem Blut akut gefährdet war, also Society auf deinen Mainvamp und Oust, das war schon extrem gut für meine Justicarin.

[Vrumfondel]

Ich denke auch, dass es in eurem Interesse war, dass der Smiling nicht liegt oder zumindest nicht liegen bleibt. Hector hätte ihn zerstören können, aber das war zu dem Zeitpunkt nicht klar.

[Oracle.kid]

Wer sich die Statistik anschauen mag:

https://vdb.im/tournament_analyze/11398

[Rudolf]

Wer sich die Statistik anschauen mag:

https://vdb.im/tournament_analyze/11398

Danke, dass du die Arbeit auf dich genommen hast. Großes Kino!