VTES-Liga Bochum 2006
- M.Schumacher
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Also wie ich dachte, nach Kiss of Ra und Obedience kein Freak Drive
mehr.
s.u.
Joshua Duffin wrote:
> "The block attempt is canceled, the blocking vampire burns 2
> blood, and the current action is ended (without combat)", I
> think the action may now be over as soon as Kiss of Ra is
> played, meaning that you can't play Freak Drive since there
> is no longer an action to modify. Is that right?
Yes.
Well, you can't play Freak because the action wasn't successful
(as required by the inferior), and it wasn't blocked (as required
by the superior), so the effect of Kiss now ending doesn't come
to bear - the fact that it is no longer blocking the action is
the key.
Google: "Kiss Freak author:LSJ"
LSJ (vtes...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc.
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No. Obedience ends the action. Unlike combat, in which many things
can be done as combat is ending to forestall that (or to squeeze
in other effects in that window), there is no "as the action is
ending" phase -- there's a "after resolution, but still during
the action" window that many cards, like Freak Drive, use. But
Obedience ends that action earlier than that window -- up near
the start of resolution.
LSJ (vtes...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc.
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Though effective, appear to be ineffective -- Sun Tzu
mehr.
s.u.
Joshua Duffin wrote:
> "The block attempt is canceled, the blocking vampire burns 2
> blood, and the current action is ended (without combat)", I
> think the action may now be over as soon as Kiss of Ra is
> played, meaning that you can't play Freak Drive since there
> is no longer an action to modify. Is that right?
Yes.
Well, you can't play Freak because the action wasn't successful
(as required by the inferior), and it wasn't blocked (as required
by the superior), so the effect of Kiss now ending doesn't come
to bear - the fact that it is no longer blocking the action is
the key.
Google: "Kiss Freak author:LSJ"
LSJ (vtes...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc.
Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar:
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/
_________________________________________________________
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No. Obedience ends the action. Unlike combat, in which many things
can be done as combat is ending to forestall that (or to squeeze
in other effects in that window), there is no "as the action is
ending" phase -- there's a "after resolution, but still during
the action" window that many cards, like Freak Drive, use. But
Obedience ends that action earlier than that window -- up near
the start of resolution.
LSJ (vtes...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc.
V:TES homepage: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/
Though effective, appear to be ineffective -- Sun Tzu
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Spiele vom 01.09.2006
Die Empore
Martin V. 1 VP (Ventrue Vote)
Nicole 0 VP (Toreador Toolbox)
Markus 1 VP (Tremere Toolbox)
Sascha 2 VP, GW (Malkavian Stealth Bleed)
Die Niederung
Martin S. 0 VP (Tzimisce Wall)
Ralf 0 VP (Ishtarri Vote)
Hardy 4 VP, GW (Imbued Gehenna)
Didi 0 VP (Greta Kircher & Kendrick - war wohl sein Cailean Deck)
Björn 1 VP (Haakon Mortensen & Gangrel/!Gangrel Friends)
Die Empore
Martin V. 1 VP (Ventrue Vote)
Nicole 0 VP (Toreador Toolbox)
Markus 1 VP (Tremere Toolbox)
Sascha 2 VP, GW (Malkavian Stealth Bleed)
Die Niederung
Martin S. 0 VP (Tzimisce Wall)
Ralf 0 VP (Ishtarri Vote)
Hardy 4 VP, GW (Imbued Gehenna)
Didi 0 VP (Greta Kircher & Kendrick - war wohl sein Cailean Deck)
Björn 1 VP (Haakon Mortensen & Gangrel/!Gangrel Friends)
Last edited by hardyrange on 05 Sep 2006, 14:37, edited 1 time in total.
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Spiele vom 15.09.
Tisch "World Champion"
Didi 0 VP (Alain Sovereign, Lord of War)
Micha J. 2 VP (Malkavain/!Malkavian "Madman's Call" Stealth Bleed)
Hardy 2 VP (Giovanni Power Bleed)
Martin 1 VP (Grooming the !Ventrue Protégé Influence Machine)
Björn 0 VP (Old School Cel Guns)
Tisch "Blind Guardian"
Michael B. 1,5 VP (Ventrue/Nosferatu/Malkavian Mind Rape/Go Anarch/Judgement: Camarilla Segregation)
Markus 0 VP (Tremee Toolbox)
Ralf 1,5 VP (dreckiges !Malkavian Stealth Bleed Deck)
Nicole 0 VP (Obf/Pre Votes)
Zivi
0,5 VP (dreckiges Tremere-Intercept-Schlampen-Deck w/ Rötschreck)
Tisch "World Champion"
Didi 0 VP (Alain Sovereign, Lord of War)
Micha J. 2 VP (Malkavain/!Malkavian "Madman's Call" Stealth Bleed)
Hardy 2 VP (Giovanni Power Bleed)
Martin 1 VP (Grooming the !Ventrue Protégé Influence Machine)
Björn 0 VP (Old School Cel Guns)
Tisch "Blind Guardian"
Michael B. 1,5 VP (Ventrue/Nosferatu/Malkavian Mind Rape/Go Anarch/Judgement: Camarilla Segregation)
Markus 0 VP (Tremee Toolbox)
Ralf 1,5 VP (dreckiges !Malkavian Stealth Bleed Deck)
Nicole 0 VP (Obf/Pre Votes)
Zivi

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Spiel 29.09.
Sascha 0 VP (!Malkavian 3E Stealth Bleed)
Markus 0 VP (!Tremere Bleed...)
Didi 1,5 VP (Nosferatu Judgment: Camarilla Segregation)
Nicole 0 VP (Tremere...)
Ralf 0,5 VP (Ellen Fence & Malkavian Friends w/ dangerous weapons, and without Ellen Fence today...)
Hardy 0,5 VP (Akunanse Vote)
Martin 2,5 VP, GW (Nosferatu Vote & Judgment: Camarilla Segregation - talk about great minds thinking alike...)
Sascha 0 VP (!Malkavian 3E Stealth Bleed)
Markus 0 VP (!Tremere Bleed...)
Didi 1,5 VP (Nosferatu Judgment: Camarilla Segregation)
Nicole 0 VP (Tremere...)
Ralf 0,5 VP (Ellen Fence & Malkavian Friends w/ dangerous weapons, and without Ellen Fence today...)
Hardy 0,5 VP (Akunanse Vote)
Martin 2,5 VP, GW (Nosferatu Vote & Judgment: Camarilla Segregation - talk about great minds thinking alike...)
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Spiele vom 06.10.06
Tisch rechts
Didi 1 VP (Malkavian/!Malkavian Vote & Intercept)
Martin 3 VP, GW (Nosferatu Vote & Judgment: Camarilla Segregation)
Sascha 0 VP (!Toreador Bleed & Vote)
Hardy 0 VP (Imbued w/ Gehenna)
Tisch links
Thorsten 0 VP (Nu the Pillar Multi-Rush)
Ralf 2 VP (ein dreckiges !Malkavian Stealth Bleed Deck)
Markus 0 VP (ein dreckiges Pre Stealth Bleed Deck)
Björn 2 VP (Cel Guns)
Ralf, was war bitte genau die Situation, aus der die Regelfrage entstand, ob "0" eine gerade Zahl ist?
Tisch rechts
Didi 1 VP (Malkavian/!Malkavian Vote & Intercept)
Martin 3 VP, GW (Nosferatu Vote & Judgment: Camarilla Segregation)
Sascha 0 VP (!Toreador Bleed & Vote)
Hardy 0 VP (Imbued w/ Gehenna)
Tisch links
Thorsten 0 VP (Nu the Pillar Multi-Rush)
Ralf 2 VP (ein dreckiges !Malkavian Stealth Bleed Deck)
Markus 0 VP (ein dreckiges Pre Stealth Bleed Deck)
Björn 2 VP (Cel Guns)
Ralf, was war bitte genau die Situation, aus der die Regelfrage entstand, ob "0" eine gerade Zahl ist?
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Die Frage hat sich erledigt. Bei dem schlechten Licht habe ich die Karte falsch gelesen.hardyrange wrote:Ralf, was war bitte genau die Situation, aus der die Regelfrage entstand, ob "0" eine gerade Zahl ist?
Ich dachte, man checkt das Blut auf Jeremy, nicht den eigenen Pool. Wenn mein Pool auf 0 geht, ist es mir auch egal ob Jeremy noch ein Blood bekommt.Jeremy Talbot [Anarchs:U2]
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Malkavian
Group: 3
Capacity: 4
Discipline: dem obf
Camarilla:
During your untap phase, check your pool total. Jeremy gains 1 blood if your pool total is even and burns 1 blood if your pool total is odd.

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Umformulierung des Problems: Wenn Raphael nun null Blood hat, darf er dann untappen oder nicht?Raphael Catarari [Third:V]
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Nosferatu antitribu
Group: 4
Capacity: 5
Discipline: aus pot tha OBF PRE
Sabbat:
If Raphael's blood total is odd, he does not untap as normal. You may use a master phase action to add a blood to him from your pool or to burn a blood from him. +1 bleed.
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Spiel vom 20.10.2006
Tisch der Unverzagten
Ralf 1 VP (Ravnos Tumninos Bleed Swarm)
Sascha 1 VP (!Toreador Palla Grande Bleed)
Hardy 0 VP (CEL Guns)
Martin 2 VP, GW (Gangrel/!Gangrel Protean/Serpentis)
Tisch der Unverzagten
Ralf 1 VP (Ravnos Tumninos Bleed Swarm)
Sascha 1 VP (!Toreador Palla Grande Bleed)
Hardy 0 VP (CEL Guns)
Martin 2 VP, GW (Gangrel/!Gangrel Protean/Serpentis)
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Spiel vom 03.11.2006
Didi 0 VP (Maris Streck, Jaroslav Pascek & Friends Alastor Vote)
Sascha 0 VP (!Toreador Palla Grande Bleed)
Ralf 1 VP (!Malkavian & Friends Obf/Pre Vote)
Nicole 2 VP (Pre Vote)
Martin 4 VP, GW (!Ventrue Grooming the Bleed Machine)
Markus 0 VP (Pre/Obf Weenie Bleed)
Hardy 0 VP (Nehemiah & Friends Pre/Obt/Tem Bleed & Vote)
Didi 0 VP (Maris Streck, Jaroslav Pascek & Friends Alastor Vote)
Sascha 0 VP (!Toreador Palla Grande Bleed)
Ralf 1 VP (!Malkavian & Friends Obf/Pre Vote)
Nicole 2 VP (Pre Vote)
Martin 4 VP, GW (!Ventrue Grooming the Bleed Machine)
Markus 0 VP (Pre/Obf Weenie Bleed)
Hardy 0 VP (Nehemiah & Friends Pre/Obt/Tem Bleed & Vote)
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Spiel vom 17.11.06
Der Tisch des sozialen Tages
Sascha 0 VP (Malkavian Stealth Bleed)
Markus 0 VP (Trermer & Dom/Tha Friends Toolbox)
Nicole 1,5 VP (Obf/Pre Vote)
Ralf 0 VP (3rdE Tzimisce Obf/Vic toolboxy Stealth Bleed)
Martin 1,5 VP ((!Ventrue Grooming the Power Bleed)
Hardy 0 VP (Gangrel Protean/Serpentis)
Jörg 2,5 VP, GW (Tzimisce wallish Toolbox)
Der Tisch des sozialen Tages
Sascha 0 VP (Malkavian Stealth Bleed)
Markus 0 VP (Trermer & Dom/Tha Friends Toolbox)
Nicole 1,5 VP (Obf/Pre Vote)
Ralf 0 VP (3rdE Tzimisce Obf/Vic toolboxy Stealth Bleed)
Martin 1,5 VP ((!Ventrue Grooming the Power Bleed)
Hardy 0 VP (Gangrel Protean/Serpentis)
Jörg 2,5 VP, GW (Tzimisce wallish Toolbox)
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