Rulings zu Karten aus Gehenna-Set
Posted: 18 May 2004, 13:13
Eigentlich wollte ich ja auf Robert hören und hier so schnell ohne Not nichts mehr posten, aber da derart viele Fragen zu neuen Karten behandelt werden, halte ich das hier für eine Präventiv-Massnahme, ehe alle danach fragen... 
Von: LSJ <vtesrep@white-wolf.com>
An: VTES Rules <vtes-rules@yahoogroups.com>
Betreff: [vtes-rules] Re: Gehenna Rules Questions for LSJ!
Datum: Tue, 18 May 2004 06:26:09 -0400
Halcyan 2 wrote:
> #1. On the White Wolf forum, it was stated that for Alastor, "If this
> referendum is successful, search your library for an equipment card and place
> this card and
> the equipment on the chosen vampire. Pay half the cost (round down)
> of the equipment."
>
> A. Since you are placing the equipment (and not equipping), does this mean that
> you do not have to meet the appropriate requirements?
Yes.
> B. Thus Igo can get the Femur of Toomler, Smudge can get the Ankara Citadel,
> Sandra can get the Chalice of Kinship, and Antoinette can get an Inscription
> (if so, what level is it)?
Igo, the Alastor? Yeah.
What Level? C'mon, you know the answer to that: when a card enters play
without a specified level, it is normal (non-superior).
> C. Also, if the cost is a blood cost, does the Alastor or the vampire who
> called the Alastor pay for it?
The target Alastor pays.
> D. If the Alastor is Black Cat, does her special further help reduce the cost?
Yes.
> #2. Does Centralized Background Check increase the cost of pool that needs to
> be paid for Peace Treaty? Based on the previous ruling for Black Cat and Peace
> Treaty, I'd say that it would. Thus if Hugo had a .44 Magnum, you would need to
> pay 3 pool, if Black Cat had a Deer Rifle you'd have to pay 2 pool, and if Koko
> had a Zip Gun or Weighted Walking Stick, you'd have to pay 1 pool. Correct?
Yes.
> #3. Descent into Darkness says "Turn the acting vampire and any cards on him or
> her face down, out of play (breaking any temporary control effects)." So just
> to make sure, if I Tempted my prey's Guido and have him Descent into Darkness,
> my prey gains control of Guido (and hence the Descent), correct?
Yes.
> #4. A. The Order of St. Blaise refers to adding counters to a location you
> control. Are counters synonymous with blood/pool? For example, Powerbase:
> Madrid explicitly uses the term counters, Tomb uses the term blood counters,
> but Alamut, Powerbase: Chicago, and Pere Lachaise all use the term blood.
Yes.
> B. Assuming the above is true, can you use the Order on Inveraray, Scotland if
> it already has 3 blood? I'd say no, since it states "no more than 3 blood may
> be put on this card."
No (correct).
> C. Since Powerbase: Madrid has no specific limitation, are you able to use the
> Order to make it so that PB: Madrid has 66 counters? (And thus can grant 66
> additional votes).
Yes.
> #5. A. To make sure, Leadership Vacuum counts the total number of votes the
> vampire has, not just the number of votes the title grants, right? So for
> Jaroslav with a Legendary Vampire, X = 5. For Angelica who got 20 additional
> votes via Political Struggles, X = 23. For Genevieve, X = 1. For a Baron with a
> Firebrand, X = 3. For Carna, X = 0 when a Beyond Approach is in play? Correct?
Yes.
> B. And on the flipside, conditional votes don't count? So Sundown, the extra
> vote from the right clan for a Barony, Paragon, and Aura of Invincibility don't
> count?
Correct.
> #6. A few specific questions on how Poison Pill interacts with other cards.
>
> A. How about Poison Pill + Ancient Influence? My predator calls Ancient
> Influence, he chooses Arika, I choose Sutekh. Even though I have a net gain,
> I'm still "losing pool." Thus the net effect would be that I gain 6 (11 - 5)
> and he gains 1 (11 - 5 - 5), correct?
Yes.
> B. How about indirect means of pool loss? Say, Sabbat Threat for example.
No.
> C. Just to make sure, there is no such thing as negative pool loss, right? So
> giving pool is not the same as negative pool loss, and thus Poison Pill we
> never give players pool, right? (This might be significant since other
> languages have different conventions, and even not all English speakers are
> that proficient in English!).
Right.
> #7. Questions regarding The Diamond Thunderbolt. Newsgroup spoiler card text
> is:
>
> The diamond Thunderbolt.
> Master.
> 0 cost.
> Master: out-of-turn.
> Only usable when control of a vampire you control is about to
> change or a vampire you control is about to enter combat.
> Control of that vampire does not change, and that vampire gains
> 1 blood.
>
> A. How does this interact with Hostile Takeover and Temptation of Greater
> Power? Is there no opportunity to play Diamond Thunderbolt? Is the control
There is opportunity, provided it is not your turn (which seems likely.
> change cancelled and the bid not paid? Or is the control change cancelled, but
> the bid is still paid (and thus that player gains pool but doesn't lose a
> minion). The last scenario would pretty much wallpaper HT and ToGP methinks.
The bid is still paid.
> B. How does this work with temporary control effects? Is losing control of a
> minion (because a temporary control effect has ended) considered "control is
> about to
> change"?
Yes, but it wouldn't maintain the currently-ending temporary control
effect. So the loss of control would still occur (again, after DT was
resolved for the initial loss).
> a. For example, it's my predator's turn. After he's done with his actions, I
> take control of my prey's minion with Spirit Marionette. I then take another
> action (either bleed if that critter is a Malkavian or do something else with
> my other Malkavians). I then lose control of that minion and control changes.
> What happens if I play Diamond Thunderbolt? Do I keep the minion forever? Or
> until the *next* action?
You play DT. Control doesn't change. Then you note that SM's control effect
hasp expired (still) and give the minion back.
> b. Previously you [LSJ] had ruled that for Parmendies, "He comes back at the
> point your untap phase begins (just as you're about to untap all your cards)."
> Since the loss of control isn't during the predator's turn, what happens if the
> predator plays Diamond Thunderbolt so he doesn't have to return Parmenides?
The same as above - the temporary control effect has expired.
> c. Ridiculous scenario but, during some other player's turn, you have a
> Malkavian using the Madness Network to play Chain of Command to bring out
> Parmenides. Can you use Diamond Thunderbolt to counter his drawback and keep
> him?
Sure.
> C. If control is changed via the burning of counters and Diamond Thunderbolt is
> played, the counters remain burnt, right? So if someone burns 3 counters off of
> Temptation to steal Milo and Diamond is played, the counters are gone. Or if
> there are 10 corruption counters on Arika and Lalitha plays one final
> Corruption and Diamond is played, all the corruption counters are gone?
They are still burnt, yes.
> #8. A. If Chain of Command is played to bring out a single vampire (with 1
> blood) and you then Heidelburg the blood off, the Chained vampire is stuck,
> right? (must hunt and must bleed so can't do anything). Assuming that he
> remains in this state, does he stay in play indefinitely then?
No. Chain of Command's card text handles this: "when all that can bleed
have".
> B. Similarly, if you Chain of Command 4 Aabt Kindred's into play and you never
> bring out Nefertiti, these little critters stay around, correct? (Though they
> can't take any actions, even undirected, now).
No, as above.
> C. What happens if permanent control of a Chained vampire changes before the
> Chain effect happens? Does he still go to the bottom of the crypt? Does he go
> to the original player's or the current controller's crypt?
He goes to the crypt. All vampires that go to crypt go to their owners'
crypts.
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