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From: LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:50:17 GMT
Local: Mon, Aug 20 2007 9:50 pm
Subject: Re: (recap + Q) (LSJ) Winged Second

LSJ wrote:
> John Flournoy wrote:
>> On Aug 20, 9:52 am, floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Let A be the acting minion, without flight, and B the reacting minion
>>> entering combat.
>>> C is a minion controlled by the controller of B, and C has flight.
>>> [Later on, C may happen to be a specific vampire. If that genuine
>>> vampire doesn't have [FLIGHT] yet, let's suppose he or she has
>>> received a Textbook: Damnation and has played a Concordance superior.
>>> - Oppositely at what has been said, if C has a Leather Jacket and A is
>>> striking against C, C cannot use the Leather Jacket to prevent damage
>>> due to that strike.

>> Incorrect. Using a leather jacket is not restricted to only by a
>> minion in combat (as most combat cards are), and the damage being
>> applied to C is 'from a strike' and thus can be prevented by a LJ.

> Perhaps. But not if the vampire is being targeted as a retainer, which
> seems to be the case, since that would mean the damage is unpreventable.
> [6.4.7]

... which seems to contradict text on Infection and Martyr's Resilience.

ERRATA:
The following sentences are to be removed from the rulebook:

section 6.4.6:
"Damage to retainers cannot be prevented.'

section 6.4.7:
"Such strikes cannot be dodged, and damage done to retainers cannot be prevented."

Those sentences are intended to mean that the strike/damage targeting a retainer is not affected by the employer's dodge nor prevented by "prevent X damage (inflicted on myself)" effects played by the employer. That is, they are not intended to add anything themselves, but rather they merely clarify/reiterate the conditions given/implied by 6.4.5.Dodge and normal "prevent X damage" effects.

The Winged Second can use Leather Jacket to prevent the strike damage.

And so:

>>> - C cannot strike with a Stutter-Step.

>> C certainly could strike with stutter step, since it does count as a
>> hand strike. However, the dodge part would simply have no effect on
>> the combat (and would not protect vampire C from being struck, since
>> they are struck 'as a retainer' per card text and Dodges do not
>> protect retainers per the rules.)

C's dodge will protect C (although it will not protect B, since B is not the
dodging minion).