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Piper [TR:R]
Cardtype: Master
Master. Requires a ready anarch.
A ready untapped anarch you control employs or recruits a retainer or ally from your hand (requirements and cost apply as normal). This is not an action and cannot be blocked. Tap that anarch.

War Ghoul [Sabbat:R, SW:R, Third:R/PTz]
Cardtype: Ally
Clan: Tzimisce
Cost: 3 pool
Ghoul with 5 life. 4 strength, 0 bleed.
When War Ghoul enters play, burn an ally or retainer you control. She can enter combat with any ready vampire controlled by another Methuselah as a (D) action. She may prevent 1 damage each round. Tap and burn War Ghoul to burn any location; you cannot use this ability during combat.

Die Frage, die sich am Wochenende gestellt hat, war, ob ein per "Piper" recruiteter Ally in derselben Turn auch agieren kann. Ich bin da immer noch nicht sicher, ob das geht oder nicht. Und auf der einen Seite steht in den Regeln, dass ein ein recruiteter Ally in die Uncontrolled Region gelegt wird, um anzudeuten, dass er nicht acten kann. Auf der anderen Seite steht auf Piper, dass der Ally zwar recruitet wird, dass es sich aber nicht um eine Aktion handelt.

To recruit an ally from your hand, play the card and tap the acting minion. If the action is successful, the ally is placed in your uncontrolled region, even though it is controlled, to indicate that it cannot act this turn (and the cost, if any, is paid). If the action is unsuccessful, the card is burned (see Resolve the Action, sec. 6.2.3). Only one ally card can be recruited per action. Note that allies brought into play by other means are able to act on the same turn, by default.

At the end of the turn, any allies that were placed in your uncontrolled region (to indicate that they cannot act) are moved to your ready region.

When an ally is brought into play (by any means), he receives blood counters from the blood bank to represent his life (listed on the ally's card). When an ally loses his last life counter, he is burned. If recruiting the ally requires a Discipline and the ally is put into play by some means other than recruiting, use the normal version of the ally, if it is different than the superior.

Was meint ihr dazu??

Frage läuft auf der Newsgroup.

die gleiche frage gab es letztens in der newsgroup , der ally ist bereits in-play (zb kann ein rom gypsy schon getappt werden um einem ravnos +1 stealth zu geben) aber in die ready region wird er erst in der influence phase bewegt und erst dann kann er acten.

Habs gefunden.

James Coupe wrote:
> In message <K0HSYDjVdLIIF...@gratiano.zephyr.org.uk>, James Coupe
> <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> writes:
>>>> New Twilight Rebellion cards from eQuarterly:

>>>> Piper
>>>> Master
>>>> Requires a ready anarch.
>>>> A ready untapped anarch you control employs or recruits a retainer or
>>>> ally from your hand (requitments and cost apply as normal). This is
>>>> not an action and cannot be blocked. Tap that anarch.
>> Since it's recruitment, it should follow the rules for recruitment - go
>> to the uncontrolled region temporarily.

> A bit of discussion of this on IRC just now (without LSJ to aid us).

> I assert this follows the same pattern as The Summoning.
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.game ... d/msg/4fb0...

> "Summoning says the vampire "recruits" that ally.
> So it is recruited (put untapped into the uncontrolled region to show
> that it can't act with counters from the blood bank equal to its life,
> etc.)"

> Since Piper also says the vampire recruit the ally, it should also
> inherit this behaviour from the Recruit Ally action, even though it's
> not an action.

> I also assert that the text in the rulebook [6.1.5] saying "Note that
> allies brought into play by other means are able to act on the same
> turn, by default." is talking about non-recruitment methods (e.g. move
> this ally from your ash heap to the ready region). This this form of
> recruitment isn't an action won't change the usual recruitment
> restrictions.

> LSJ?

Correct.

Das ging ja schnell.

Did not find any answer in the newsgroup. So here the question.

Can an ally act in the same turn it was recruited with piper?

Cardtext:
Piper
Cardtype: Master
Master. Requires a ready anarch.
A ready untapped anarch you control employs or recruits a retainer or
ally from your hand (requirements and cost apply as normal). This is
not an action and cannot be blocked. Tap that anarch.

Erol

Newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad
Von: LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com>
Datum: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 09:41:26 -0400
Lokal: Di 2 Sep. 2008 15:41
Betreff: Re: [LSJ] Piper recruiting
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Jozxyqk wrote:
> der.e...@googlemail.com wrote:
>> Did not find any answer in the newsgroup. So here the question.

>> Can an ally act in the same turn it was recruited with piper?

> No. It's "recruited", which means it goes into the uncontrolled
> region until end of turn.

Correct.

Böser Johannes, war iauf dem Turnier in der überzeugten Annahme das LSJ das anders geruled hätte. Grummel.

ghost of extrala wrote: Die Frage, die sich am Wochenende gestellt hat, war, ob ein per "Piper" recruiteter Ally in derselben Turn auch agieren kann. Ich bin da immer noch nicht sicher, ob das geht oder nicht. Und auf der einen Seite steht in den Regeln, dass ein ein recruiteter Ally in die Uncontrolled Region gelegt wird, um anzudeuten, dass er nicht acten kann. Auf der anderen Seite steht auf Piper, dass der Ally zwar recruitet wird, dass es sich aber nicht um eine Aktion handelt.

Was meint ihr dazu??

Klassischer Fall von Regel 1.4:

Whenever the cards contradict the rules, the cards take precedence.

Piper rekrutiert einen Ally, aber es ist keine Aktion (per Kartentext). Alle anderen Regeln übers Rekrutieren bleiben in Kraft (in diesem Fall 6.1.5), also kann der Ally nicht agieren.

Etwas anderes wäre, wenn Piper das "put into play"-Template benutzen würde (siehe Jake Washington).

sk.