From: LSJ (
vtesrep@white-wolf.com)
Subject: Re: "Before Range"
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Date: 2001-04-09 04:02:04 PST
Halcyan 2 wrote:
>
> Just a pair of quick questions:
>
> #1: Just to doublecheck, but "at the beginning of" is treated the same as
> "before range" right? Thus Weather Control, Concealed Weapon, and Shotgun
> Ritual are played with the same timing as Torn Signpost and Carrion Crows?
Yes.
> #2: I'm just getting picky on the semantics but: if the range is already
> established (via Cailean, Shadow Step, or Storm Sewers), does this mean you
> cannot play any cards that are "played before range is chosen/determined?" I
> know that that clause is supposed to simply tell you that it's played before
> the manuevers segment, but if you take a strict interpretation, it seems that
> they'd be unplayable?
No. If "Determine range" is to be skipped, then cards played "before range"
are then played "before strikes" - that is, at their normal time:
1. enter combat
2. before range
3. determine range - might be skipped if something has already set range
4. before strikes (Immortal Grapple, e.g.)
5. choose strikes
6. resolve strikes
etc.
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From: LSJ (
vtesrep@wizards.com)
Subject: Re: LSJ: question
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Date: 1999/12/07
Frederick Scott wrote:
>
korric@my-deja.com writes:
> > LSJ <
vtesrep@wizards.com> wrote:
> >> Right. "at the beginning of a round" means the same thing as "before
> >> range is determined [in a round]".
> >>
> >> So you can play Shadow Step after a Drawing Out the Beast has been played.
> >
> >But, could you play Drawing Out the Beast after playing Shadow Step? I
> >could see an argument for either case here. LSJ?
>
> Sure, why couldn't you? All SS says is that you skip the range step,
> range is set, and no one can play maneuvers. It doesn't say, "Skip
> *TO*...(some other part of the turn)". So all "beginning-of-a-round"/
> "before-range" cards can still be played. Just, once you get past those
> cards, don't bother stopping and having a range step because there isn't
> one. And as DotB is not a manuever itself, well, what's the problem?
Right. "at the beginning of a round" means the same thing as "before
range is determined [in a round]".
So you can play Drawing Out the Beast after Shadow Step has been played.
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