Michael Luther timing
Posted: 10 Nov 2003, 16:07
Für die Teilnehmer unseres letzten "Wednesday Night Jyhad" sicherlich interessant. Kleine Vorschau : Ich hatte mal wieder Unrecht 
Aber es wäre doch sooo schön gewesen .... achso der "Correct. ..." post ist von LSJ aber das hättet Ihr Euch ja auch denken können.
>>One question came up in our latest V:TES night. I was controlling Michael
>>Luther and during a referendums we had the following situation (a bit
>>complicated):
>>I had 7 votes in favor, they had 8 votes against (4 princes). One of them
>>had a Justicar and he said the Justicar abstains from the referendum. The
>>were waiting that I change 1 prince in my favor thus making it 9 to 6 and
>>then voting with the Justicar to make the referendum fail. I was argumenting
>>that Michael Luthers ability can be applied after all votes were cast to
>>change one of the vampires votes and that I can change an abstaining
>>vampires votes. They were trying to argument that I cannot change abstaining
>>vampires votes and they can wait "forever" with the justicar to cast votes
>>just until Michael Luther has been tapped.
>>
>>So the question is : can I pass the referendum (how and why?) or can I not
>>(why?) ?
>
>
> You cannot force them to vote.
> The ability can only be used *after* they have voted -not if they don't
> vote. (first post googling for "luther" in the NG)
> After you use your ability they have the right to cast votes.
>
> They can wait 'forever' inasmuch as they don't have to vote -at some
> point you can call for any more votes and then declare the referendum
> over BUT you cannot use your ability after the referendum is over and
> nor can you use it and then rush to end the referendum before they can
> vote.
>
> You can't pass this referendum unless you have some other form of vote
> push.
Correct.
If everyone reaches the "I won't do anything until someone else does"
point, then it's time to close the referendum.
Aber es wäre doch sooo schön gewesen .... achso der "Correct. ..." post ist von LSJ aber das hättet Ihr Euch ja auch denken können.>>One question came up in our latest V:TES night. I was controlling Michael
>>Luther and during a referendums we had the following situation (a bit
>>complicated):
>>I had 7 votes in favor, they had 8 votes against (4 princes). One of them
>>had a Justicar and he said the Justicar abstains from the referendum. The
>>were waiting that I change 1 prince in my favor thus making it 9 to 6 and
>>then voting with the Justicar to make the referendum fail. I was argumenting
>>that Michael Luthers ability can be applied after all votes were cast to
>>change one of the vampires votes and that I can change an abstaining
>>vampires votes. They were trying to argument that I cannot change abstaining
>>vampires votes and they can wait "forever" with the justicar to cast votes
>>just until Michael Luther has been tapped.
>>
>>So the question is : can I pass the referendum (how and why?) or can I not
>>(why?) ?
>
>
> You cannot force them to vote.
> The ability can only be used *after* they have voted -not if they don't
> vote. (first post googling for "luther" in the NG)
> After you use your ability they have the right to cast votes.
>
> They can wait 'forever' inasmuch as they don't have to vote -at some
> point you can call for any more votes and then declare the referendum
> over BUT you cannot use your ability after the referendum is over and
> nor can you use it and then rush to end the referendum before they can
> vote.
>
> You can't pass this referendum unless you have some other form of vote
> push.
Correct.
If everyone reaches the "I won't do anything until someone else does"
point, then it's time to close the referendum.
