Orun, und was genau bedeutet "cards played"...?
Posted: 04 May 2014, 18:49
Wir hatten neulich in der Runde Bochum eine Frage zu Orun - meine Recherche hatte ein Ergebnis, das vielleicht auch andere interessiert:
Orun gilt auch für Karten, die im Spiel sind, und nicht nur während sie gespielt werden.
Sogar für Karten, die gespielt wurden, bevor Orun im Spiel war!
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/r ... ft6gDzxmsJ
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searc ... EIoqkTROIJ
Orun gilt auch für Karten, die im Spiel sind, und nicht nur während sie gespielt werden.
Sogar für Karten, die gespielt wurden, bevor Orun im Spiel war!
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/r ... ft6gDzxmsJ
Und, in Bezug auf diese Post, eine weitere mit mehreren konkreten Beispielen, darunter auch Aranthebes (also genau wie in unserem Spiel):LSJ wrote:Jozxyqk wrote:
> sath...@o2.pl wrote:
>>Orun
> "cards played by Methuselahs other than this Laibon's controller"
>
> Please confirm, LSJ, that this means cards which were *ever* played by
> another Methuselah, not just "as-played".
Confirmed.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searc ... EIoqkTROIJ
LSJ wrote:floppyzedolfin wrote:
> Today's questions are about Orun.
> I'll focus on the second sentence of the card: "For non-Orun cards
> played by Methuselahs other than this Laibon's controller, this Laibon
> is considered to have 2 additional capacity.".
>
> 1/ Does this effect stack if I control mutliple Oruns on a vampire ?
> Example: Other Meths have played nothing yet. I control Nana Buruku (8-
> cap) with 2 Oruns. My predator plays Golconda: Inner Peace on Nana. I
> decide not to pay 2 pool. Which one is it: I gain 10 pool, or I gain
> 12 pool ?
Stack.
Google: "Orun stack author:LSJ"
First hit:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.game ... 11e4779b0b
> 2/ In this topic http://groups.google.com/group/rec.game ... 00eaed47f8
> you explain that Orun keeps track of all cards *ever* played. Little
> question about the *ever*: Does the Orun "remember" of cards that got
> played before it was played ?
What else could "ever" mean?
Anyway, the cards in play before Orun is played still know who played them.
> Example1: My prey played Aranthebes with his vampire right before I
> play Orun on my 4-cap vampire. The only played cards in the game so
> far are my prey's vampire, his Aranthebes, my vampire and my Orun. Can
> my 4-cap vampire reshuffle Aranthebes in my prey's library?
That's in the link you gave: yes.
> Example2: Giant's Blood was played before I played my Orun. The game
> keeps track of it, but does that aknowledge my Orun somehow ?
From which effect of the in-ash-heap Giant's Blood are you looking for
acknowledgment?
> 3/ Just checking: Is Orun's increase-capacity effect lingering, or is
> it triggered by the play of a card?
It affects how every card played by other Methsuelahs sees the Oruned vampire.
In that sense, it is lingering, just like every other card-in-play's effect.
Orun doesn't actually increase the vampire's capacity, though. So that effect,
which doesn't exist, isn't lingering, no.
> Example: The only cards that have been played in the game are
> (chronologically) my Cesewayo, my Orun on Cesewayo, and my prey's
> Karsh. Karsh attempts to enter combat with Cesewayo using his special
> (for some cardless reason, Cesewayo is tapped). Can Cesewayo play Wake
> with Evening's Freshness + Obedience?
No. The Obedience you play is not an Obedience played by another Methuselah.